nathan_bainbridge Posted February 19, 2018 Member ID: 931 Group: Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 297 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 4 Achievement Points: 297 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/06/2017 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 16, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Hi friends... Most will find this completely and utterly boring, but I ended up being pestered by someone in whispers to the point where I just told them to f#ck off. Here is the conversation below. What I would like to know is, I may have worded my concept unclearly, but I believe my general knowledge of RTP is correct. Am I completely mislead? Is my knowledge that of a mushroom-like douche? This guy got under my skin. I don't believe he understood the immenseness of the algorithms involved in slot design. Any feedback is welcome, even stupid comments that might hurt a little, but help me feel connected to the outside world. : DaddyLove TeEvIbE: but what about the RTP ? TeEvIbE: how can that be deteremined without something that "knows" how much you have been betting all the time nathan_bainbridge: RTP is solely based on the game itself, not the person playing it, or the amount they have bet.... it's the average on ALL returns to ALL players on ALL games nathan_bainbridge: thousands of spins per second nathan_bainbridge: each game tested between 1.5 billion spins to 1500 BILLION spins to work out RTP TeEvIbE: its not possible for a computer to know something if its not programmed https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0[/img] hehe TeEvIbE: if it dont know how much you put into a slot it can't possibly give you a rtp back thats correct. nathan_bainbridge: it is given a mathematical algorithm, not told what to play nathan_bainbridge: I don't think you get the numbers we're talking about] nathan_bainbridge: it's ok TeEvIbE: so even if the spins are random, in which they are, there has to be somekind of storage from the particular ip that gives info to the "software/server" how much its going to pay back nathan_bainbridge: no, not storage... it's random... gameplay is based on an algorithm which then PRODUCES the RTP... TeEvIbE: so what it probably is programmed with, is that to give back and "know" how much other players are losing on the slots compared to what others can win. no casinos actually pay out out of their own pocket since its the providers that own the slots nathan_bainbridge: the algorithm is key nathan_bainbridge: it's programmed with an algorithm brother TeEvIbE: the casino sites tell it themself. they can't do anything with the slots at all, like technical things and stuff https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/11/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/11/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/11/1.0'>https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/11/1.0[/img] nathan_bainbridge: what's that meant to mean nathan_bainbridge: you're grasping nathan_bainbridge: i don't think you understand nathan_bainbridge: it's ok TeEvIbE: i know that these things are programmed and also random at the same time nathan_bainbridge: i gotta get dressed TeEvIbE: but how that is actually functioning, you have to be a programme rto know nathan_bainbridge: it's an algorithm ... work that one out and then implement it over billions of spins then you will get it completely nathan_bainbridge: your homework nathan_bainbridge: see ya TeEvIbE: anyways https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/11/1.0[/img] have a good evening further. TeEvIbE: yeah but that has'nt anything effect TeEvIbE: if its two spins or a billion TeEvIbE: its still the same. TeEvIbE: there is no completely https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0[/img] TeEvIbE: an algorythm is a definition of something that maybe can be TeEvIbE: or the average result compared to so and so much TeEvIbE: " a process or set of rules to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, especially by a computer. " TeEvIbE: i would say a problem-solving operation would be exa. RTP nathan_bainbridge: mate... it's ok... you can't see the scope of it all .... hang around long enough and you'll see it TeEvIbE: it can be so much, its only dependable of what the actualy cause behind it is. TeEvIbE: so, well, yeah it's a random pattern, lets say that. the mid point of the amount you can , for example spins on a slot TeEvIbE: i understand what you mean here, but im having trouble with the actualy RTP part TeEvIbE: but explain to me then how it works? TeEvIbE: is it stored or is it not dependable of the rtp given back to players. nathan_bainbridge: rtp simply means for every 100 euro spent, the game manufacturer generates (e.g.) 3 euro nathan_bainbridge: some of which becomes the casino's income as they have bought the license to host the game TeEvIbE: yeah but thats not relevant TeEvIbE: compared to what amount it should give back TeEvIbE: it cant give back something it don't know how much it should give back nathan_bainbridge: oh my man .... surrender... you're not getting it TeEvIbE: then its just a mess and everything will be winning in severe amounts TeEvIbE: and vice versa. TeEvIbE: i know what i means but that doesnt answer my question https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0[/img] TeEvIbE: no nathan_bainbridge: one day you will inderstand.... today is not that day.... keep looking into it TeEvIbE: surrender for something you can't answer? TeEvIbE: then answer me first and tell me about what im not getting afterwards please? TeEvIbE: you can't answe rme dude. TeEvIbE: if you know its programmed you should know its quite perfectly programmed also TeEvIbE: and yes, ofcourse its random, but not when you get the wins back TeEvIbE: when you get the wins its also programmed TeEvIbE: so then TeEvIbE: the question again TeEvIbE: how did it know how much it should give back? TeEvIbE: when it has no memory TeEvIbE: it has to store somekind of a session of this on a external server maybe and its connected. and then they can at the same time say its random TeEvIbE: if it all had been random these sites had been broke long time ago TeEvIbE: just like landbased casinos with slots TeEvIbE: i understand prefectly what random is and algorythm, so again. TeEvIbE: i really don't think you are the one who gets my point here. TeEvIbE: does'nt TeEvIbE: anyways TeEvIbE: its clearly you dont understand what i am trying to get you to answer me on, that you sincerely don't want to answer or can't. TeEvIbE: until then, i rest my case https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0[/img] TeEvIbE: and it can be random at the same times as its programmed TeEvIbE: basic logic. TeEvIbE: or, it cant be random if its not programmed in the first place. TeEvIbE: the randomness are only compared to the indivual session or in a longtime serssion from a particular source, again with slots, and ip source. TeEvIbE: anyways TeEvIbE: yeah, i see that you understand the basics, buts thats what not my question. my question again, for the third time is that how can it know when it surely isnt supposed to know how much to give back in rtp. so its a given its stored. TeEvIbE: if you can't understand what i am mentioning its of no use for me to ask you any further nathan_bainbridge: please don't nathan_bainbridge: go away TeEvIbE: because you can't answer me properly. TeEvIbE: and you claim its only random. TeEvIbE: Sure. im not going to bother you with it anymore. it's only random, right? https://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/3/1.0[/img] TeEvIbE: peace out. nathan_bainbridge: it's an algorithm, it's mathematical.... not entirely random, but based on an algorithm which in itself is unique and RANDOM in the context of the multitudes of numbers it is dealing with nathan_bainbridge: now fuck right off and learn something TeEvIbE: now your kinda understanding it TeEvIbE: it can't be entirely random as i mention. TeEvIbE: unique and unique. its' tied to IP nathan_bainbridge: you're a fool nathan_bainbridge: stuck TeEvIbE: thats how these servers actualy know nathan_bainbridge: stuck on an idea and can't let it go nathan_bainbridge: fuck off New Whispers TeEvIbE: its not an idea, i know people who have fixed on slots for several years TeEvIbE: if you don't know any better its not may problem actually. you can't even answer my question TeEvIbE: yeah i will fk of TeEvIbE: from you rchat. TeEvIbE: and report you while i am at it. TeEvIbE: goodbye. In my defense, I was attempting to watch a run of wins that this streamer was having and enjoy myself... Every time I answered a question, instead of any comprehension, the guy just immediately rebutted everything I said, so the conversation was not exactly one of enquiry, it was one of you-know-nothing-I-know-what-I-know-I-just-wanted-to-tell-someone-and-not-be-open-to-any-new-information. Please ignore this if it bores or upsets you. 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